12 team SF start 11 Tua for a 2026 1st + 2025 3.09

Ps. You don’t need to say you’re not talking down to me. I’m an adult. We can have a conversation and disagree without a hitch

I completely disagree. I’m more talking about his entire body of work, cuz this isn’t new with him. His best year was 2023 for somewhat obvious reasons. But when you blend his injuries (you can say they’re preventable, but I believe this is his 4th or 5th major concussion) with his inconsistency (which isn’t personal to Tua, some of it is game script and personnel related), he’s a terrible fantasy QB that gets valued routinely as a top 10. I use 10 pnt and 16 pnt thresholds below, as I view less than 10 a weakness, and 16 a relative minimum starting caliber score. 2024: 9 games < 10 pnts, 6 games > 16 pnts 2023: (BEST YEAR) 3 games < 10 pnts, 8 games > 16 2022: 6 games < 10 pnts, 5 games > 16 pnts 2021: 7 games < 10 pnts, 6 games > 16 pnts 2020: 10 games < 10 pnts, 5 games > 16 points

Are you counting the games he didn’t even play???

😂

I understand the best ability is availability, but counting those games in your consistency rates is asinine. For the record, nobody is pricing tua as a top ten qb. Hes my dyno qb 20.

At least nobody I know 😅

If you want to glaze that over with the idea that you’d be starting someone else, just look at the number of games he hits minimum thresholds

You’re including the games he didn’t start for your minimum thresholds. So yeah, I’ll be starting someone else in those games.

And no, I wouldn’t trade a 26 1st for tua. I agree with you there

I actually agree if Tua is falling around QB20ish. That’s about where is and should have been. This is a rollover argument I had from last year where everyone was putting Tua at QB 10-12

and he only played 10 games this past yr excluding BUF injury game. why are you counting that with your less than 10 range?

Qb 10-12 ranking last year was pretty silly. Of his 10 games he didn’t hit your minimum threshold, 5 came after December 1st. That’s so gross

25 1st and 26 first and if they both projected 7 or later. N o. How are you going to replace Tua with a late 1st?

My entire argument is a cost/value argument. And always has been with him

yeah that happens, but counting on it?

like I understand the logic but it sounds like you'd apply the same to someone like Darnold, correct me if im wrong. been shit his entire career, but wouldnt pay his current cost or close to it even though he had a breakout yr?

Go ahead start non qb in yor sf . play your own game

12 team start 11.

The very point I am laying out is, you will need another top QB to “replace him” because he’s only going to deliver on half the games. That’s if you’re lucky enough that he’s injured and out, instead of a game where they decide to run the whole day, or he has an erratic day, or he just sucks that day, which happens more than most I see with him.

When he is out you flex?

if it is return on value then yes I understand but then I would disagree because you stated you wouldnt move a 3rd for Tua but you can easily get value on that return given how consensus views Tua, and QBs in general, in SF formats

I felt the same way about Amari Cooper his entire career. Actually up until last year when one of you pointed out that he’s been fairly consistent the last few years in Cleveland. And whoever it was, was right.

By “one of you” I mean one of you fine fellows on these boards. Don’t remember who…might have even been you @aweldon